Regarding the closed locations, I noticed that some Chinese locations started appearing on the “missing tesla sites (we have it Tesla does not)” table on the Comparison tab some time ago (back when Chinese locations were still coming to sc.info from the Tesla feed). I didn’t follow it up since we didn’t have people on the ground who could confirm.
Good news, @Pluto, you don’t need to worry about importing the sites from the tesla.cn feed and working out how to merge them - Tesla has added them to their international map!
Many questions… should the entries for these new sites be removed from the changelog? (i.e. just add “silently” so they don’t show up on the changes tab)
We should probably discuss, for consistency, what should we put for some fields:
Open date - today’s date until further notice? There were a couple of instances of Tesla opening 20 or 30 in a day, I think maps and list of names were included.
Power (kW) - Some sites have V3 in the name or description. Probably make those ones 250 kW and the remainder 150 kW
“New national standard” I believe refers to GB/T plug. All superchargers in China use this. I don’t think it needs to be specifically included in the name. Note Hong Kong and Macau use CCS2.
Many of the existing sites have also changed names and tesla ids - we can worry about those later though!
Finally, there were probably a few that have been manually added in the past couple of years. The huges ones that made the news for example. These should probably be the first ones to be updated so we don’t accidentally add duplicates.
@chuq This is great news. It seemed quite overwhelming until I realized that on the “Comparison” tab you can click on a row to populate it in Site Edit, that will really help speed this up.
One thing I noticed is that the names of the locations will likely need to be shortened to replace the lengthy and redundant “Supercharging Station of location name (New National Standard)” with just location name. The “opening hours” field will also need to be cleaned up. Maybe the address field too.
I agree that these should all be removed from the changelog to avoid cluttering up the feed on supercharge.info, it’s not really useful data now.
Your suggestions for opening date, discussion url, and power all make sense to me. Although, I noticed Plugshare lists the older Superchargers in China as 120 kW. I don’t know if this is provided by Tesla, or simply a Plugshare default.
Setting them all to one open date will reflect as a massive jump in the charts, but there’s no way to prevent this as it’s going to happen to the supercharger stalls graph regardless of the open date (that uses a weekly script or something to manually log the total number of stalls open over time). If we wanted to make a manual “fix” after the fact (ie. retroactively changing the open dates to spread them out), it wouldn’t be any harder to do this than now. So I agree with keeping them all to today’s date (1-22).
I think it might be best to leave the URL blank and save us some work. We can always put in simple code to change the target of the discuss URL based on the country. And I agree with the power values.
It would definitely keep things clean to work on merging existing superchargers entries we have first, so we’ll want to coordinate that here.
Good point about the 120 kW, we can use that for the time being. Perhaps get some advice from owners in China on Twitter?
These are all the China locations added after 2019-04-03 (which, from I can see, was the last time locations were added via the feed - some of the ones just after that might need checking). The green dots are Hong Kong locations which will probably be fine.
I’ll go through and check these, update if necessary then will post back here to see what people think.
Weirdest one was the most recent, and the largest - The 72 stall one which got plenty of news stories when it launched! It’s not on Tesla’s official map (at least I can’t find it)
The orange circle is where it is marked on supercharge.info
The turqoise circle is where a google search for “Jing’an International Center” places you (at a location named “Jing’an International Square Parking Lot”)
I think we just need to make sure there aren’t any exceptions (e.g. existing sites as listed above) and then ensure we have a consistent process. The the editors need to plod through them. There are ~5 active editors, 500 sites, that’s 100 each… do 20 a day we could get through them in a week? Or if it takes longer, it takes longer… not much we can do about it.
Looking at the list they appear to be in order of cnsc number so that might be an easy way of doing it. They range from 80xx through 93xx (not all ranges are the full 100 profiles, 80xx, 81xx, 82xx only seem to have ~20 each, then the others start from 89xx) Perhaps we nominate blocks here. Then when that block is done come back and see what others have chosen, then select another one if needed?
As for the process how does this look, have I missed anything?
Final step would be to click on the Change Log entry and remove the entry for the new record. It might be annoying doing this after every new entry, might be easier to go and do it after every 10-20 new entries.
Note: The new entries will probably still appear in the RSS feed, and the superchargefeed twitter account. Can’t really be avoided, does anyone think it would be a problem?
I can help. I need a cheat sheet on the process though so I don’t screw it up. I think I got it from @chuq 's post above.
I sort of know… go to the comparision tab, click the link on the supercharger which prefills the add screen.
I’m unclear on what our name should be - same as Tesla, but remove “Supercharging Station of” or “Supercharging Station” and add “, China” to the end? Remove “(New National Standard)” from description or leave it in?
Clear hours unless 24/7
Lookup the elevation.
Change the “open” date to ?.
Fix street
Set country to China.
Power to 150, 250 if V3 in description.
Click “save” to add it.
Wash, rinse, repeat
When finished with a bunch, go to the “changes” tab and “delete” the ones just added.
Naming examples - do these seem right? (Tesla name, then our name)
Supercharging Station of Zhuozhan Times Department Store (New National Standard)
Zhuozhan - Times Department Store, China
Guangzhou South China Automobile Trade City Supercharging Station (New National Standard)
Guangzhou - South China Automobile Trade City, China
Final step would be to click on the Change Log entry and remove the entry for the new record. It might be annoying doing this after every new entry, might be easier to go and do it after every 10-20 new entries.
Note: The new entries will probably still appear in the RSS feed, and the superchargefeed twitter account. Can’t really be avoided, does anyone think it would be a problem?
I’m not certain, but I think if entries are removed from Changelog soon enough then they don’t get sent out to the superchargefeed Twitter account. I mistakenly added a duplicate entry last month, but I realized it immediately, deleted it from the changelog, and it never appeared on the Twitter feed. If this is the case then its probably best to immediately remove entries from the changelog after adding them, instead of waiting until the end and deleting in batch.
@tes-s - yes those formats are exactly what I’m thinking!
Ahh, in that case perhaps keep a separate tab open with the changelog window? So that it’s not much of an issue to flick back and forth between the two.
So far as what opening date, we can either make it 2021-01-22 (the day they were added to the feed) or leave it as the default (the day we add the entry). We don’t actually have the opening date info for most so both are equally inaccurate, but not having to change the date saves a lot of time! I’m guessing after adding them all we can go back and retrospectively change opening dates for some when they are known (i.e. Tesla made an announcement about opening 30 in one day, we can find that announcement, translate the names and back-date those 30) Thoughts?
Maybe any editor who wants to help can pick a block of 50 and announce here that they are about to start on it, to prevent working on overlapping blocks. I’d guess 50 would be about an hours worth of work (after data cleanup and verifying coordinates), so that’s about all I’d want to take on at once before committing to the next block. Others can look at this thread to see which block was last marked as in-progress, and choose the next one.
@chuq - Since you’ve been coordinating this so far, I’ll wait for you to give the go-ahead.
Hi guys, sorry I’ve been pretty much offline the last day or two. Don’t need to wait for me though!
Perhaps start with the ones with the non-numeric identifiers (look like they are mainly service centres and/or experience stores) if you want to do one or two at a time to verify the process.
I’ll be back online in a few hours to group the others into blocks.
OK I’ve split them into groups. If you want to start on one, just nominate a letter. Don’t need to do the entire block at once, but finish it off before starting any others. Reply here with the letter of the block you’re doing and I’ll try to edit this post.
Guessing we’re going with the opening date of 2021-01-22 (the date they all appeared?)
I’ll start with A myself!
A. cnsc80xx,81xx (~39) - @chuq
B. cnsc82xx (~37)
C. cnsc89xx (~64)
D. cnsc9000-9050 (~50)
E. cnsc9051-9099 (~50)
F. cnsc9100-9150 (~50)
G. cnsc9151-9199 (~50)
H. cnsc9200-9250 (~50)
I. cnsc9251-9299 (~50)
J. cnsc9300-9355 (~55)
K. non-numeric (~22)
