This means we will now have 3 different brands of “V4” chargers.
V3 Backend unchanged with 250kW charging but with V4 posts
“V3.5” Backend capable of outputting 325kW of power with V4 posts
True V4 chargers that will be deployed at some point next year but are currently not deployed.
Personally I think displaying these all as “V4” but with different kW output is a bit misleading and as such I have the following proposal.
All sites with V3 backend but with V4 posts are marked as V3+ sites (the name used internally by Tesla), differentiated simply by kW output (250kW vs 325kW) especially since I think it is possible that eventually all of these sites will be capable of 325Kw output.
Only true V4 sites are marked as V4 sites on the website. This will also allow us to differentiate them when we hopefully start locating permits/construction of said sites in the next quarter.
On top of this would be ideal to have another power filter for more than or equal to 325kW
Yeah we are aware of the new changes by tesla for the increased power for some site. Also it is expected that most V4 stalls in North America will have the increases power levels in the coming weeks.
We have had many discussions about how to represent the V4 stalls on the site but no decision has been made yet.
One clear option for “mix-and-matching” filtering is to have Power be “Cab. Power,” as in Cabinet Power.
while “Stall Type” would mean physical “post” form factor. Adding options of (equals) like “= 250 kW”, “= 325 kW”, and “= 500 kW” lets you get your combos.
I think that they should change stall to “Supercharge Site” and adjust accordingly. Using Stall Type made sense when there were only V3+ chargers but with true V4 coming I think differentiating V3+ and V4 is more important.
Yeah the problem is the difference between “site” (or more strictly power cabinet) and “stall” and what they mean to different people.
Afaik there are no V3.5, V3++, etc stalls. Only V3 or V4 stalls. Others may disagree but I have yet to see anything from Tesla publicly about this.
What do call V4 stalls that can deliver up to 325kW or 500kW or 250kW (or 200kW that appeared recently)? I don’t know the terms people would even use. I could sort of understand if it was just the V4 250s and V4 500s but the new 325kWs confuse this more.
Also I don’t like a V4 form factor stall being referred to as a V3 something stall. I think it causes confusion for a less hardcore users of this site that just wants to know easily where the longer cables are and knows they are called V4s.
We also don’t differentiate between V2 stalls with different names for 120kW vs 150kW chargers, etc.
We are still discussing this and (many) others on the team think we should change to some type of new notation like V3+, V3.5, etc. Maybe even rethink how we do this in general.
I think a combination of stalls and max power to the site are enough and tbh that is the easiest to implement so will likely be a done in the short term & we can decide on a better way in the future.
You are correct. Tesla does internally call V3 sites with V4 stalls V3+ (that’s where I got the name from) but there are only 4 current stall types.
For the “normies” I think that the difference between sites is a lot more important than stalls. Especially for people using the site to look for 800V V4s for those who own non-Teslas. I fully expect (within NA at least) all V3+ sites to be upgraded to 325kW by EOY since there doesn’t seem to be a hardware change required. I also think this is a lot more significant of a difference (V3+ to V4) compared to the difference between 120kW and 150kW V2s. They have completely different back ends and are capable of charging 800V cars much much faster than V3+ sites.
In the short term I definitely agree that just adding a new kW option is completely acceptable. But I think people are more likely to get confused at V3+ and V4 sites being labeled V4 than V3+ sites being labeled as such. I don’t think that many people are just looking for the cables.
For a bit more context, Max de Zegher at Tesla provided a bit more detail on the various levels:
V2 urban post + V2 cabinet = up to 72kW
V2 post + V2 cabinet = up to 150kW
V3 post + V3 cabinet = up to 250kW
V4 post + V3 cabinet = up to 325kW
V4 post + V4 cabinet (2025+) = up to 500kW
We have added the 325kW to the power filter and it is now live on the website.
All known 325kW sites have been added to the database.
If you know of any more let us know.
